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From:oldhalloween
Date:October 13th, 2014 10:46 pm (UTC)
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Reading your reviews and how you see the doctor is different from how I see him as a character. You represent a lot of fans who feel the same way, so I enjoy reading your take on twelve. 12 reminds me of the original doctor, and doctors up until the reboot, with 9, when it was more like traveling with your grandpa. If you think about the racist, agist, and sexist commentary from old guys... imagine an old guy of 900! You might not like all the things grandpa says but you put up with it because he is family and has been through the war(s). That doesn't mean you can't challenge him on what he says, think he is a dick, know there are some things that won't change, and yet still love the old fart.

It was an older and definitely more brusque doctor up until 5. Then the fan community went nuts over a younger actor playing the doctor. There was a swing back to old cranky guy in a young guys body with 6. Six makes 12 look like a kitten. Six was mean to everyone. Back in the day I was so upset by 6 and how he treated the companions. Looking back now after having watched more of 1-4 its easier to see he was a bit closer to the original Doctor. To make a break from two very young actors playing the doctor this feels like a hard reboot. Get rid of the romance that popped up with 10 and get back to the old guy and companion dynamic. There seems to be some feeling out of basic things with this regeneration since he can't make out facial expressions easily. An alien trying to understand humans again.

Mummy on the Orient Express reminded me of 4 and there were some delightful nods to 4 including the Jelly Babies in the cigarette case. This was my favorite episode of the season. 4 said the exact same things about Sarah Jane. Commenting on her looks and generally goading her in to things. It was also one of the most heart breaking moments when he left her on earth. Sarah like Clara knew that once you have all of space and time its really hard to be tied down to just the earth. It would be even harder for Clara who has known all the doctors through time.

OK…now I just feel old after that ramble. Even though a lot of this season has been pretty bad I am still loyal and not willing to give up on it yet. I survived 6 and 12 is not nearly as obnoxious or rude.
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From:maq_moon
Date:October 14th, 2014 12:07 am (UTC)
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I'm with you on this (and I think we're in the minority). I LOVED the old, mean, snarky, rude Doctors. The First Doctor is one of my favorites because he's basically a jerk to everybody. I feel like Capaldi is a mix of Two and Six with a dash of Eleven. The problem is that a lot of people have only seen Who post 2005. Folks are used to young, attractive guys playing a funny spaceman. Now we have a middle-aged man whose humor is biting and cold and no one knows what to think.

Get rid of the romance that popped up with 10

Yessssssssssssssss. I'm fine with there being a romantic aspect; Amy and Rory were great. Doctor Who is a Sci-Fi show. I don't want the main character to be involved in a grand romance. I was initially very anti-River romance. I think I did a fist-pump during the series premier when 12 said, "I'm not your boyfriend."

This is the Doctor I've been waiting for. I loved 9, 10, and 11, but as soon as Matt announced he was leaving I said I wanted an older Doctor with poor social skills.



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From:patches365
Date:October 14th, 2014 08:46 pm (UTC)
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It's not so much that the Doctor is mean (I prefer a less-fluffy Doctor), or that he's old (I prefer an older Doctor), it's the uncomfortable unbalance of power between this particular Doctor and companion that sets me off.

One may have been mean, but it never felt like he had Ian and Barbara so thoroughly crushed under his thumb the way Twelve has with Clara. Their relationship is one where Clara is so broken that Twelve can do whatever the hell he wants and knows that he can get away with it. Even when she ranted at him in the previous episode, Twelve's reaction to it wasn't one of "Oh, man, maybe I should rethink things a bit", it was "Eh, she'll be back." She did not have any effect on him whatsoever.

So, I think the meanness of this Doctor wouldn't be nearly so bad if the companion was strong enough to fight back. But as it stands, every episode just feels like he's beating her further and further into the ground, and not only has she decided not to try to pull herself out, she wants to go deeper.
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From:oldhalloween
Date:October 14th, 2014 11:12 pm (UTC)
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So, I think the meanness of this Doctor wouldn't be nearly so bad if the companion was strong enough to fight back.

That is key for me ...that Clara is not Clara this season. The girl who saves the doctor and constantly reminds him to be/do better. Clara, for lack of a better term, went soft. The whole Pink thing doesn't help as it doesn't seem believable. I don't see Clara as abused. She has known him through all his incarnations so she probably knows him better than any companion. She told him he was being a dick. He did soften and try to explain himself in the beach scene. One of the more genuine scenes, for me, this season.
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From:blackdwarv
Date:October 21st, 2014 10:15 pm (UTC)
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Exactly this.

One: I don't like these people, but I did kind of fuck up and kidnap them, so I guess I have to do the decent thing and take them back... I don't have to like it though...
Twelve: Oh? Is little Clara starting to think for herself? Well, we'll have to stop that before she does the smart thing and leaves me...

Curmudgeon is one thing. This is just abusive. Between his constant abuse and the whole thing with potential companions turning up and not going with him, I'm beginning to think the rumors of Clara leaving might be true...
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